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63 Responses to What Do You Think of the Maya’s End of World Prophecy?
  1. Julia C. Beeman
    November 16, 2012 | 9:55 pm

    First of all, it is not clear what is meant by “the end of the world”.
    Lastly it cannot happen soon enough for me – we (humans) have made enough of a mess of it.
    I am serious.

    • judith
      November 17, 2012 | 12:04 am

      as i look around at our cities and towns, even the most beautiful, i keep thinking, is this the best we could do?

  2. Marvin Schrock
    November 16, 2012 | 9:59 pm

    I don’t pay attention to any predictions of when the world will end. What if it never ends? What if we are the ones on this planet whose life style is ending and we would rather debate anything but how our way of life is already being challenged?
    Whether the world ends or does not end, my life is richer as I live from within, open to being aligned with the laws of the universe as best I can understand.

    • Carmie Cook
      November 17, 2012 | 2:12 pm

      MArvin, Well stated!

  3. Teresa Ramsey
    November 16, 2012 | 10:09 pm

    I have seen a couple of documentaries and articles with commentary from indigenous people in Mexico. They are saying it is symbolic and life will go on. However, the predictions about this 26,000 year cycle that is ending (I think that’s right) is that it will end in “water.” With climate changes, these major storms, and sea water level rising, and for me in particular, Staten Island being so devastated..it reminded me of images I have seen in movies on NY being sunk! Storm Sandy made me see more possibilities of NY sinking….

    November 16, 2012 | 10:12 pm

    cats will go on having kittens!!

  5. Jerry
    November 16, 2012 | 10:22 pm

    Harmonic Convergence…yawn…Y2K…yawn…2012…yawn. I hope everyone gets their Christmas shopping done and doesn’t put it off until Dec 22.

  6. Sarah Dubin-Vaughn
    November 16, 2012 | 10:23 pm

    I recognize that the ancient Mayans had an understanding of the passage of time that included movement of the earth’s solar system as well as that of the other planets in the infinite universe and that long-term cycles play a significant role in the measurement of time. What they mean by end-of time is merely the ending of a cycle of 500 years or more and the beginning of another. What we don’t know is exactly what effect the ending of this era and the beginning of the next will have on current civilization although there is a lot of intelligent speculation.

  7. Francis Broussard
    November 16, 2012 | 10:23 pm

    The “End of the World” scenario is the Judeo-Christian linear vision of history, whereas the Mayans, as well as most indigeneous cultures, view
    history in cyclical terms, so imposing such a view on
    the Mayans is erroneous. The cyclical ending/beginning may well have corresponding earth
    changes that accompany it, but that will take place
    over a period of time, not just one day. In fact, it
    has been going on for several decades, and will no
    doubt continue for several more with increasing

  8. Bonney
    November 16, 2012 | 10:29 pm

    I am not convinced that the Mayans predicted the end of the world when their calendar ended. I do think we are undergoing major changes worldwide, but I do not believe it is the destruction of the entire world, like Poof! and we’re gone. More like Wow, my whole world has changed from …fill in the blank- fire, storms, financial collapse, planes crashing into buildings. Now what?

    • Tom Sharkey
      November 17, 2012 | 5:26 pm

      I have to say Bonnie that your response put a big smile on my face as it was so “down to earth” as they say,with a warm engaging simplicity.

  9. Andrew D. Whitmont, PhD
    November 16, 2012 | 10:31 pm

    The end has been predicted many times. (endlessly?) Obviously there is no end.

    This Maya prophecy is no prophecy anyway. Remember, the Maya never said this- it is the interpretation of some who saw the end of the calendar. Well, duh. The wheel was full. It was continuable on the next wheel. They were not predicting the end of the world. We were. Why do we do it? The emotional tendency to fear an end is an echo of our genetic fear of death. The tendency to predict an end is a slippage of the denial of death defense mechanism. It gives the infantile psyche a thrill to both fear it, put the fear in others, and secretly to disbelieve it.

  10. William Smith
    November 16, 2012 | 10:33 pm

    In one sense: it’s absolute and egregious nonsense. The end of a cycle does not mean the end of time itself; most cultures, including Western culture, have myths of cyclical time of one sort or other. (For example: the Platonic Great Year cycle that Spenser used as the numerological underpinning of the Faerie Queene.)

    Nor does it necessarily act as a harbinger of transformation, although that is certainly a current of thought in, among others, Jung and Neumann.

    I see it as more a cultural pathology somewhat akin to the millenarian panics of the Middle Ages. In fact (again using Jungian concepts) it strikes me as being far more akin to primitive consciousness and participation mystique than anything advanced and transformative.

    One cannot ignore the sheer gloomy stupidity of those who can only see the negative aspects of Western culture and not the positive ones.

  11. John Woodcock
    November 16, 2012 | 10:33 pm

    The thesis of my PhD (1999) concerns the end of the world (I have not come across any other phd’s on this theme.) One of the fascinating questions I came across concerns the incorrigibility of end dates. There have been so many end dates since the first millennium and when they pass, as they always do, we simply shift the end date forward-incorrigible, but very interesting. So I asked: what’s going on here?
    The answer is quite a story to tell…….

  12. David Thompson
    November 16, 2012 | 10:39 pm

    The Mayan Calendar? The end of the world? More New Age hooey! Needs to be investigated by FBI special X-Files’ agents Fox Mulder and Dana Scully. I’m surprised that those guys who wrote “Holy Blood, Holy Grail” haven’t written a book about the Mayan Calendar. Or Dan Brown.

    Mayan Calendar Soundtrack: REM singing, “It’s the end of the world and I feel fine”.

    Apocalypse Not Now!

  13. Kristen Ann
    November 16, 2012 | 11:02 pm

    The Mayan’s stopping their calendars on 12/21/12 is intriguing, but has been terribly misinterpreted. They NEVER INDICATED an end of the world, but simply that TIME WOULD NEVER BE THE SAME as of that date. So they couldn’t continue their calendar making by their current time standards. This could indicate an interdimensional shift, including the dimension of Time.
    I’ve had many detailed revelations on the coming shift from extremely reliable sources. It’s information that would greatly help people to understand now, and I realized I needed to share it. I’ve written “Exploring Sacred Space: A Vast Quest” to give these details and more. You can see it at ExploringSacredSpace.com. I can be contacted at ExploringSacredSpace at gmail dot com.

  14. Katie
    November 16, 2012 | 11:08 pm

    I trust and believe what El Shaddai says about the end of the world: (1) He will be with us, even until the end of time; (2) the world as we know it will never end; (3) the world will be purified with fire (spiritually speaking); (4) after the purification, Jerusalem will be the center of the world and the Lord Jesus will reign forever. Amen. Best of all, we will rule and reign with Him.

  15. Gail McCullough
    November 16, 2012 | 11:14 pm

    It’s just changing to a new calendar cycle.
    Time is a cycle, not an arrow.

  16. Dennis H Pitman
    November 16, 2012 | 11:16 pm

    we humans are allways projecting on to somithing, this is nothing new, it’s the understanding of the projection that is more inportant. Dennis

  17. James F. Kowalick
    November 16, 2012 | 11:19 pm

    Please Note: The Maya never made an ‘end of the world’ comment. See Dr. David Stuart’s comments about this on his blog website at WordPress for more on this (he is the resident U.S. expert on the Maya, at the University of Austin, Texas).

    However, even if the Maya had predicted the so-called “end of the world”, that would have to be taken in symbolic language – or ‘keys’. The ‘world’ refers to that part of us which has absolutely no interest in anything ‘higher’ or ‘enlightening’. This part of us has been called various names by various disciplines or enlightened beings, including: “The Lower Self”, “The 10,000″, “Brother Donkey”, “Apophis” and perhaps “The Unconscious”. I challenge readers to identify which persons or groups or religions or disciplines or traditions first used these terms.

    All of these traditions, religions, etc. – at least at their inceptions – referred to the same ‘system for Self-Realization’, although using a different form or ‘language’ or vocabulary. That form consisted of a Higher Self, a Lower Self, a ‘Heart’ Goddess of a sort, a ‘Mind’ God of a sort, and a Procedure which they followed in their everlasting quest for immortality (on a relatively small time scale.

    Freud appears to not have gotten things right, but his disciple Jung came closer to getting things right.

    Important to point out, however, is that this system is not so much a ‘therapy’ than a system that certain people who feel ‘called’ can practice on a continuing basis.

    So in a nutshell: “The end of the world” is not a bad thing when looked upon on an every-moment, human scale.

    Best wishes for understanding the most important lessons that the Maya had to offer,


  18. Grace (Julia Hensley)
    November 16, 2012 | 11:19 pm

    I quote Bob Makransky, a trained Mayan priest living in Guatemala:

    The REAL Mayan Prophecy

    It is such a joy to live Guatemala, and to have the
    privilege of participating in an ongoing spiritual tradition which has continued uninterrupted for five millennia. I have had the privilege of having met many Mayan priests; and they have sometimes asked me,
    “What is all this about a Mayan Prophecy for 2012?” – for after all, even Mayan priests read newspapers and see television now and then; so some of our kwashru (craziness) filters down to them. I explain that it’s just New Age silliness by people exploiting the Mayan cachet to make money; not anything to take seriously. They understand that one pretty well.

    Indeed, it is true that the Mayan Long Count calendar, a 5,000-year cycle, does come to an end and resets itself on December 21, 2012. But this has no more significance for the Maya than Y2K did for
    us. There are a lot of so-called “experts” on the Mayan Prophecy out there now – none of whom are Maya, and none of whom speaks a Mayan language nor has ever studied with – or even met – a Mayan priest. In fact, most of this “Mayan Prophecy”
    hokum was started by the exact same phony-baloney who brought us the “Harmonic Convergence” brouhaha a few years back. The “Mayan Prophecy” thing is really just a profane interpretation of a sacred calendar.

    Unlike the self-appointed Mayan Prophecy “experts”,
    true Mayan priests are chosen by the Mayan spirits themselves. It’s so obvious when you meet them. They’re real. Unlike in our society, they don’t just take a couple of weekend workshops, or read a couple of books, and then hang out their shingles as shamans, or astrologers, or spiritual healers. They study for decades under the tutelage of accomplished daycounters. The Mayan priests whom I have met are very humble (most of them are subsistence maize farmers from the countryside who don’t even speak Spanish), and yet they have a commanding presence. When they put on their headbands and begin ceremonies they become filled with the Spirit – Ahau – and they are completely self-effacing – not there at all – and yet utterly real and masterful in a way which makes most of our religious and spiritual
    leaders seem phony, hypocritical, and ugly by comparison.

    The point is that the Maya are making a connection with the spirit world. Connecting and communicating with the Mayan spirit world is an everyday part of Mayan life, just as the telephone and internet are for us. This connection is made principally at Mayan ceremonies, where priests channel messages and perform healings for the participants. This connection is also made in daily life – by respecting the natural world and propitiating its guardian spirits.

    Unlike our church services, which are basically just social functions, Mayan ceremonies are magical invocations in which spirits are contacted to obtain useful information and healings from the spirit
    world. The spirits actually do come; you can feel their presence, it’s like an electricity in the air. And their answers are very exact and right on. As an example, once during a ceremony my teacher Don Abel Yat stopped and said to me, “You are about to face a huge land problem.” Sure enough, two weeks later, a big dispute over land began which dragged on for five years and cost me a tremendous amount of
    money and grief. Another time he stopped and told me, “You are about to have a big health problem.” and shortly thereafter began the pelvic arthrosis which eventually necessitated hip replacement
    surgery. The point is, the messages which Mayan priests channel are quite specific and to the point; not vague generalities.

    By contrast, this 2012 Prophecy baloney is being touted by the non-Mayan “experts” as a kind of New Age version of the Rapture: a miraculous transformation of human consciousness which sweeps
    humanity up into the Pleiades to escape the coming tribulation. But things don’t happen that way in real life. If there is going to be a fundamental transformation in human consciousness, the way it will probably come about is that the environment and civilization will deteriorate over the next century. And in the crisis people will draw together and open their hearts to one another, as they do in the face of any natural catastrophe such as an earthquake or flood. When people lose their faith in the system and start listening to their own hearts is when the system will change.

    Our society is in a great spiritual crisis now. We have a lot more wealth and freedom of choice than the Maya do, but for what – to buy this stupid gadget instead of that one? To vote for Tweedledee instead of Tweedledum? To be part of a mindless producing / consuming society which keeps us trapped in an endless spiral of insatiable desire? Where our society has lost all sense of spiritual purpose, Mayan society has not. The Maya had the highest civilization in the New World at the time of the Spanish conquest, and its essence continues in spite of five centuries of oppression and persecution.

    As much more technologically advanced we are than the Maya, is how much more spiritually advanced they are than us. The Maya are by no means angels, but they possess the dignity of a people who know where
    they belong in the universe. They have a sense of connectedness and rootedness which contrasts sharply with the empty materialism and disconnectedness of our society. The Maya know in their hearts that
    nature is sacred; they are capable of feeling awe and wonder; they are broken and humble. When viewed through Mayan eyes, our behavior seems boorish, crass, and profane – utterly lacking in culture and

    For people to think that they will become “spiritual” or understand mysteries by slavishly imitating Mayan traditions is like little children dressing up in mommy and daddy’s clothes pretending to be grownups. In the same way, dressing up in
    Mayan symbols has nothing to do with spirituality. Spirituality means making a heart connection – not a mind, image connection. I am reminded of a quotation from Ludwig Feuerbach’s The Essence of Christianity: “Without doubt our epoch … prefers the image to the
    thing, the copy to the original, the representation to the reality, appearance to being … what is sacred for it is only illusion, but what is profane, is truth. More than that, the sacred grows in its eyes to the extent that truth diminishes; and illusion increases to such an extent that the peak of illusion is for it the peak of the sacred.”

    Mayan society – and especially Mayan religion – are
    REAL. Meeting Mayan priests is like a taking a breath of fresh air. It’s so reassuring to know that there are people like that in the world;
    and that there is such a thing as whole-heartedness and truth out there somewhere. We can learn from the Maya, not by mindlessly aping the outward shibboleths of their cultural traditions, but rather by taking a good, hard look at our own personal behavior and assumptions.

    If the human race is going to survive the coming crunch, we as human beings will have to seek a true sense of connection to the divine, and put aside our insatiable greed, selfishness and hypocrisy. This is a more viable path for human salvation than silly, irresponsible “prophecies”, or the short-sighted money-grubbing and pipe dream assurances offered by capitalism or Christianity. That’s the REAL Mayan Prophecy – what we really should be learning from the Maya – which you can find in the Christian Bible as well: “Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth.”

    (excerpted from The Watkins Review)

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    About the author: Bob Makransky is a systems analyst, computer programmer and professional astrologer. For 37 years he lived on a farm in highland Guatemala where he was a Mayan priest and head of the local blueberry growers’ association. Check out his free downloadable Mayan Horoscope software, free downloadable Planetary Hours calculator, free downloadable Primary Directions / celestial sphere mathematics textbook, complete instructions on how to channel by automatic writing
    and how to run past life regressions, articles, books, stories, cartoons, etc. etc. at http://www.dearbrutus.com

  19. Doug
    November 16, 2012 | 11:23 pm

    I’ll get back to you on December 22

  20. A Dude
    November 16, 2012 | 11:25 pm

    I have no doubt spaceships will land in Sedona, Arizona on that fateful day. The doors will open, Jesus will step out and address us with the next phase of the Neo-Testament. Stay tuned.

  21. Patricia White
    November 16, 2012 | 11:27 pm

    Well, the world as we know it COULD end. It is quite possible that an asteroid (or one of the many other doomsday scenarios floating about these days) could render life on earth (including humans) almost or entirely extinct — or set our civilization back to the stone age. Maybe on 12/21/12, or at some other time.
    Que sera sera. I am not stressing about it. I believe that the soul survives the material form.

  22. David Tacey
    November 16, 2012 | 11:34 pm

    Yes it is symbolic, but it is also real in certain ways. I see this as an especially American anxiety, which is being played out using cosmic symbolism. The end of world in the Mayan calendar is not an issue in my country, Australia. But there is certainly an “end” looming for the United States – the end of its world dominance, for instance, its international prestige; its end as a world power. These are real facts and thus easily attached to anything ‘cosmic’ that we can lay our hands on. Because the end of American empire is in truth a cosmic event.

  23. James Newell
    November 16, 2012 | 11:46 pm

    I think it is important to take apocalyptic fantasies seriously. Living, as we do, in a world that allows the average individual little contact with mythopoetic fantasy can create a longing in the individual for the dissolution of structures which no longer serve us as a culture. Entertaining the possibility of apocalyptic destruction may help one to feel that he or she has entered in to sacred space and time. In this way, the concretization of mythological patterns, such as apocalyptic fantasies, be they Mayan or otherwise, may be temporarily stabilizing, but only for the duration of their influence on the individual. When the predicted date passes, and the apocalyptic event fails to emerge, the individual must return to profane space and time and to everyday, mundane realities.

    There is a great longing among many in our culture to replace the emptiness of daily life with some meaningful structure, sometimes even if that replacement is a vision of destruction. There is certainly ample evidence in myth to suggest that the movement from chaos to cosmos and then back to chaos again is a common human fantasy. This is a theme that runs through much of Mircea Eliade’s work. Edward Edinger, in his book “Archetype of the Apocalypse: Divine Vengeance, Terrorism, and the End of the World” suggests that such patterns may emerge in individual consciousness as a way to prepare the individual for the dissolution of ego structures in order to accommodate the emergence and integration of previously unconscious material. The danger, of course, is when such processes occur in a psyche that is unable to withstand the chaotic energies of the transformative process. This can lead to a psychotic break, and may manifest in a variety of ways.

    For me, plumbing the possible symbolic and mythological meaning of any public preoccupation with apocalypticism seems far more rewarding than entertaining fantasies of an actual world cataclysm. It may also help us to notice where and when unstable individuals are becoming fixated upon such fantasies. There are certainly many very real threats to our world, and they must be taken seriously. I like to think that choosing to face such threats consciously and deliberately will yield more and better fruit than yielding to psychic pressures that have been awoken by apocalyptic visions.

  24. Barbara Clark
    November 16, 2012 | 11:48 pm

    The Mayans themselves are saying the world doesn’t end, just the calendar ends. A new era begins, and we’ll all get up and go to work the next day. Or celebrate the winter solstice. Or celebrate with beloveds that we can remake humanity into a more peaceable kingdom.

  25. Is it just me or have you all heard a wave of sadness and nostalgia sweeping over our communities? This Prophecy is connected in the Collecive with endings, and whether or not it refers to any physical ending, it seems that this “symbolic container” of Prophecy for ‘endings in general’ is amazingly accurate…Just today: from my jeweler -“Remember the bakery trucks and their jingling bells?” This from the guy at the thrift store: “Going Home? God, I hate air travel. Remember when ladies wore white gloves when they traveled by air?” And this today from the guy at the post office: “I can’t believe how fast this year has gone. 2013 will be worse,and I fear will live up to its numerical name.”

    All around me: “Remember when we had regular WEATHER?” “Remember when we had men to look up to?” “Remember when we had real food?”
    “Remember when people talked to each other?” And look at the symbols in the vocabulary of our day: “Over the FiscalCliff.” “End of Real Time.” “Death of the Old White Guy.” “End of Jerusalem.” “Final Tally.” “Death of the Artic.”

    Open your Newspaper and you will see poetry of endings. Listen on the street and people will speak the same poetry of endings. Every minute, every heartbeat is the end of time. We have today a heightened awareness of finality.

    One thing for sure, The Mayan People were prescient in casting the date they did –as it today ‘holds’ as a symbolic container for our Collective Disillusionment – we are being disavowed of the Western belief that Time actually Progresses, with all the import “Progression” implies. Feeling endings acutely, we long for de-gression. The Old Myth may be dying.

    • Prudence Noble
      November 17, 2012 | 2:15 am

      Beautifully stated.

  26. Karl Schlotterbeck
    November 17, 2012 | 12:31 am

    There is no prophecy; just a calendar turning its metaphorical page. Every day is a potential end of the world.

  27. Athena Kolinski
    November 17, 2012 | 12:36 am

    I believe that there is a translation issue… It is not the end of the world – it is the end of an age. It should not be used as propaganda to incite fear, but it could have much symbolic significance for the world to let go of the old ways and shift into another direction. It may be the end of one age, but it is the beginning of another. Check out the independent film “Shift of the Ages” (www.shiftoftheages.com) that discusses this with real Mayan elder.

    November 17, 2012 | 12:42 am

    A close friend with significant knowledge of Mayan culture told me that the Mayans had a number of different calendars. So this is one idea of several.

  29. Frank Pascoe
    November 17, 2012 | 12:52 am

    The Mayan calendar is not predicting “the end of the world”, it is saying this is the end of a cycle. Just like in the Gregorian Calendar this means we are entering a new “season”, this season just happens to be a very long one, apparently 1/4 turn of our Milky Way Galaxy. The question is, what does the concept of “season” mean when you are talking about the rotation of the galaxy, we don’t know exactly what the Mayans thought either. To say that the “end” of a calendar means the end of the world is just like saying that because our calendars end on December 31 means that the world is ending!

  30. E. Mark Stern
    November 17, 2012 | 1:21 am

    The Mayan calendar speaks to unconscious end.We die daily, hourly, in nano time. What minuscule discomfort there may be is valid. Whatever that may be, that end is at perpetually at hand. End there will be for each of us. Could it be that the true fear may be of what is on the “other side.”

  31. Muhammad Ma`ruf
    November 17, 2012 | 1:28 am

    The Mayan world ended several centuries ago. Ours also will end. None of us knows when. There is no need to wish it and try to expedite it – although there seem to be many powerful people doing just that.
    Unrelated to this issue: A day or two ago I found something in the Hull translation of “The Archetypes and the Collective Unconscious”, p.303, that seems to answer very directly a question that had been with me for a while. It is the sense that Jung makes in his disagreement with the Freudians about the unconscious, by bringing up the issue of “instinct: the most original force of the unconscious”.

  32. DrW Shropshire
    November 17, 2012 | 2:15 am


  33. Levi Gardner
    November 17, 2012 | 2:23 am

    Heraclitis said that one never steps into the same river twice. For that matter, after a night of dreaming sleep, one wakes up with a brain that has been chemically and structurally altered. Mayan calenders and doomsday aside, the world begins and ends every day. For about a quarter million human beings worldwide, that day, like every other day, will be the end of their personal world. For about four hundred thousand others, it will be the beginning of a new lifeworld. I have to admit a certain suspicion of end of the world thinking. My take is pretty well summed up in Michael Meade’s book Why the World Never Ends. Yes, Virginia, there is a Santa Claus, and no, Virginia, the world will not end on December 21st, 2012 – unless, that is, it ends for you…

  34. Wynette Barton
    November 17, 2012 | 2:36 am

    There is no evidence that the Maya believed the end of their calendar meant the world would end. Their numerical cycle, which, by the way, was quite advanced and complex, came to completion, with a new one to begin afterward. At the time this calendar was completed, today’s date was far enough in the future that there was no rush to begin a new one. We have projected our own notions of an Apocalypse onto Mayan concepts, which, while perhaps natural, is also somewhat mindless, and surely would make the Maya smile indulgently. It’s easier to imagine the end of the world than to try to fix what we have so badly broken. Hopefully we are indeed entering a new cycle, one in which we humans take responsibility for our own lives and the condition of the world rather than waiting passively for cosmic destruction.

  35. Arnold
    November 17, 2012 | 2:41 am

    I’m convinced that a epochal transition is already in process, but for those who continue to see reality as something almost entirely external to themselves, only a kind of “residue” of the full transition will be experienced. It will be possible to stay blind to most of it, as our cultures have unwittingly(?) taught us to be blind to so much as it is. I see the shift as an unimaginably exciting opportunity to experience reality more fully and more wonderfully, to understand more of our true inheritance as astonishing magical beings. But participation requires real curiosity, courage, and commitment. The rewards however are beyond imagining. I am actually quite surprised at the superficiality and cynicism and pessimism expressed in many of these responses, from an audience with a Jungian orientation. Surprisingly few listening attentively to their souls?

  36. Joseph Leone
    November 17, 2012 | 3:49 am

    We’re right on course for the possibility of a very literal Armageddon at this point, as evidenced by Israel and Hamas, and more joining the fray. Other than that, apocalypse means “change,” even epic change, but not necessarily “end of days,” which is an interpretation given us by Christianity, God bless us everyone.

    However, I have, partly because I am a caregiver who lives in a rather liminal reality, been, for some time, familiarizing myself with the Tibetan Book of the Dead (The Great Liberation through Hearing in the Bardo). The end of humanity, if it were to occur, is, to my mind, fine and normal, as it were. Hinduism even has a word for it, pralaya, which is dissolution. It seems evident to me that humanity itself needs a good dose of disillusionment so that our ego-driven, ignorant view of existence can be altered before we alter ourselves into extinction.

  37. Bernie Quigley
    November 17, 2012 | 5:10 am

    RE Mayan Calender – end of the world

    What is useful about the Mayan perspective is that they speak of serial creations so the end of the world is also the beginning of a new world. Much like the zodiac, which brings the end of the Christian Age, in the zodiac cycle the age of Pisces, and the rise of Aquarius. A hundred years back brought a good deal of preoccupation with rising Aquarius with Yeats and the Golden Dawn group, Madame Blavatsky and Khrishnamurti, etc. Much of Salvador Dali’s work between 1931 and 1943 can be understood archetypally using Jung’s method of dream interpretation and this work and other in the specific Surrealist group led by Andre Bretin might be understood as entering into the collective unconscious; that is, it might then be called “prophecy” if prophecy is a reaching into a sub level of space time so as to reveal the future. Dali’s 1943 painting “Geopoliticus Child watching the birth of the New Man” shows a titan figure breaking from an egg (“egg man”) its companion piece, also in 1943, titled “Poetry in America” shows the “egg man” to be the Christ or the “new Christ” the second coming of the avatar as an American god for the “new age” that is, Aquarius. Another Dali piece titled “The Second Coming of Christ” brings a Buddhist monk is orange robes descending to earth from the “Christ wound” in Pegasus, the harbinger of Aquarius. It is suggested that this is in America as well as the desert theme in Dali’s paintings generally refers to the new land, so far empty of archetypes and psychological history. Also in this group Magritte indicates an Englishman identified by a green apple as the awakened messiah in 1964 as the title of the picture is “Son of Man” the phrase from the Book of Daniel indicating the messiah. A wise Jungian friend in Jerusalem claims the Tolkien “Rings” stories are “prophecy” as well indicating the death of “golem” – the Shadow dominance of the last five hundred years – and the “Return of the King” – the ascent of the Self in the new millennium.

    Jung as well was preoccupied by this life long and his essay published in German in 1959 he said he was “puzzled to death” with the UFO phenomena. His monograph, “Flying Saucers: A Modern Myth of Things Seen in the Skies” shortly after in English. He stated in the preface that he saw these apparitions as a harbinger of Aquarius; symbols of the rise of a new age of spirit much as angels accompanied the rise of the Christ in the initial days of Pisces. Had he lived another decade he would have seen the rise of the three great sky epics: Star Trek, Star Wars, Battlestar Gallactica. And had he lived to the year 2000 when he thought Aquarius would begin, be would have seen the end of the sky epics and the beginning of a series of “returning to earth” epics, notably “Lost,” a pure Aquarian myth, where the Christ figure – Ben Linus – is half mad at the end of his Piscean journey and John Locke is given the reins to time ahead. On Jung’s crypt he carved a horse – Pegasus – who kicks the mountain to free the curing waters and in “Lost”’s last moment Jack (son of Christian Sheperd) pulls the plug to allow the flowing waters.

    What is interesting about Jung’s preoccupation with UFO dreams and dreamers is that they most frequently take place in America – Utah, in particular – but in the last ten years they have receded. The phenomenon may be passing. Steve Jobs said it best in his last words: “the spaceship has landed.” So it has.

    But it also marks the end of an age of apprehension; a fin de siecle century or war and discord and the beginning of something else. The Mayans ware right: the world has ended. But the beginning is imminent and that is the difficulty. What is ahead brings the change of a century, the change of a millennium, the change of a 200 year astrological time cycle. And that change is upon us.

    Bernie Quigley
    Haverhill, NH

  38. Jim Moyers
    November 17, 2012 | 5:53 am

    I grew up in an apocalyptic religion in which the Second Coming of Jesus and End of the World was expected at any time. But I left that behind a long time ago. I expect that the turning of the Maya calendar, which doesn’t really have much to say about the End, will happen with no remarkable changes in the state of the world. Just like all the other End dates that have come and gone with the world continuing on.

  39. Margaret
    November 17, 2012 | 6:23 am

    2012 marks the year of The Energetic Shift to a New Paradigm!

    It is the year when high frequency portal energies are opening up to facilitate a cosmic shift to a new energy paradigm for all beings based on Conscious Evolution and Conscious Co-Creating!

    Many ancient prophecies speak of the Great Turning beginning on December 21/22, 2012. They tell of a New Age, the Third Millennium, the Age of Aquarius, the Beginning of the Fifth Sun, the end of old calendars and the commencement of new ones.

    The common message is well described in the Quechua tradition as the “Pachakuti Era”, “pacha” meaning time and space or the world, and “kuti” meaning upheaval or revolution. According to tribal elders and shamans from the Andes, “The Prophecy of the Condor and Eagle” is upon us, when the condor (representing the heart, the intuitive, the mystical, and earth-based spirituality) and the eagle (representing the brain, the rational, material progress, and physical mastery) will reunite and fly together in the same sky, along the same path, in balance and in harmony. Many elders are praying that together we can sustain a shift to a new era of awakened consciousness, and begin to heal Pachamama (Mother Earth).

    “Birth 2012” is a growing movement of pioneering souls committed to linking hearts and minds with others and consciously co-creating the next stage of our evolution. A global Birth Day celebration on December 22, 2012 will be a day to send a vital evolutionary signal — for all of us to wake up, synergize with one another, celebrate what is working, and ignite this positive evolutionary shift to a co-evolving, co-creating humanity, forming a new planetary culture, a co-creative society, never known before on Earth.

    On both days, the Maya and our global spiritual human family will tune in together in global meditation to welcome, harmonize, balance, and ground the incoming cosmic energies, usher in a new age of love and light, and celebrate the birth of a universal humanity, the emergence of our oneness consciousness, and the dawning of a new era.

    We are the energetic shift we’ve been waiting for! This is the time for which we were born! It is a profound opportunity and awesome responsibility!

    Check out Birth2012.com!

  40. Dale O'Brien
    November 17, 2012 | 7:20 am

    Thanks to those here who separated genuine Mayans from a common misconception, thanks to Arnold for encouraging a shift of focus, and deep gratitude goes to Elizabeth Stewart for recognizing synchronistic correspondence to the common misconception anyway!
    Might we ask, IF we are coming to an end of TIME, what might that mean? I seriously doubt that Dr. Jung would be so sure that humanity will get through this apocalyptic crisis just like every one before it. Read, for example, his writings in THE EARTH HAS A SOUL (C.G. Jung on Nature, Technology & Modern Life), edited by Meredith Sabini. From Fukushima to nuclear power plants worldwide vulnerable to acts of Nature, from two nuclear-weaponed powers in Jung’s day (of significant concern to him then) to multiple nuclear-weaponed powers now, only the thoughtless dare be smug as if now is just like approaching the year 1000 A.D.
    The probable famine and rise of food prices in 2013, increasing lack of drinkable water, and other serious concerns coincide with those just mentioned.

    However, what if “the end of time” is neither as neither as minor as a mere flip of a calendar, nor as catastrophic as the end of all or much of human life? If Jung were here with us now, might he discuss with us the MYTHIC dimension of “the end of time”? Seasonally-based Tropical astrology, the variety studied by Jung himself, tells us that Winter Solstice begins the first of it’s three segments, Sun in Saturn(Chronos)-ruled Capricorn. Saturn (Roman) / Chronos (Greek) mythologically “rules” time. Might “the end of time” mean an end of our domination by time? If so, there would be no more calendar to record time, as in the completely arbitrary tyranny that says, for instance, that people must be at work before there is Sunlight, that they must work after the Sun has set. What arbitrary nonsense this was/is to true indigenous people! What if 12/21/2012 marks the beginning of a return to Feminine Nature’s Time (Gaia, Mother Earth, Pachamama), a time of living, like non-neurotic animals in harmony with the seasons and Natural Light? What if we are about to begin a transition into mutiny from going along thoughtlessly with “Maddogs and Englishmen”? Lame Deer tried to tell the white man, that arbitrary forced labor took him and his people too much away from Dream, which was (is) not healthy for the soul. What if…?

  41. Riedel
    November 17, 2012 | 7:24 am

    Since my early childhood I hear again and again about this end of the world and never see its realisation, so that the topic becomes old and boring. Perhaps people enjoy having fears ?
    As dream interpret I don’t see any warning in the actual dreams of my few french clients.
    I wonder : could this repeated theme signify a longing to a change that one is unable to achieve with his limited forces so that he needs the intervention of cosmic forces ? Could this scenario of end of the world mean a huge longing of the soul to meet its God ?

  42. Kristine Rudow
    November 17, 2012 | 11:32 am

    Every generation thinks they are the last . I find it hard to consider they can predict my last days when they could not even predict their on …

  43. donna kohn
    November 17, 2012 | 12:35 pm

    Visionaries such as Gregg Braden and Barbara Marx Hubbard have lots to say about this phenomenon.

  44. Gail Ellison
    November 17, 2012 | 1:37 pm

    I’m happy to sit with not-knowing, but glad you asked: The survey led to the most rational, profanity-free and grammatically tolerable comments I’ve seen online in a long time!

  45. Terrell Atwood
    November 17, 2012 | 1:47 pm

    I just wonder if they felt that they had gone as far out in time as was necessary for their purpose. Maybe
    they felt that they would continue it at a later date.
    Who knows?

  46. Virginia Mugavero Noto
    November 17, 2012 | 3:56 pm

    While the signs of disaster are undeniably all around us and with the greatest respect for the Maya who encompass a third planet,Venus into their calendar of long term predictions, I comfort myself with Isaac Newtons prediction that the world will end (as we know it) in the year 2060.

  47. Doris Ivie, PhD
    November 17, 2012 | 9:51 pm

    The “world ends” every day, every second, at the same time repeating (conforming to) timeless patterns. If we pay close attention on December 21, we will “feel ourselves changing”; if we pay no attention, we will change nevertheless, and perhaps later notice our own changes — or not.

  48. Jim Kline
    November 17, 2012 | 10:15 pm

    I am less intrigued by the Mayan calendrical cycle that ends on 12/21/12 than I am with Jung’s own prediction of the end of the world. In the documentary “Matter of Heart, one of Jung’s closest colleagues, Marie-Louise von Franz, reported visions Jung had just before he died of the majority of the Earth destroyed by a major cataclysm. The cataclysm was apparently the result of what she called “sheer shadow foolishness,” the inability of groups of humanity to take back their projections upon other groups, apparently resulting in a major war that caused “enormous stretches of devastation, enormous stretches of the Earth….” Von Franz took these visions very seriously had had little hope for the survival of humanity. In “Jung and the Lost Gospels,” author Stephen Hoeller also mentioned this prediction by Jung, which apparently happens about fifty years after Jung’s death which occurred in 1961. Fifty years from 1961 equals the year 2011, not too far off from the year 2012. Of course, what Jung could have been envisioning was the coming of his own death. However, given the rampant amount of “sheer shadow foolishness” still prevalent in the world, who knows?

  49. Dale Stolz
    November 17, 2012 | 11:32 pm

    Doomsday? Mayans? What about the Hopis? The Christians? Beyond the cartoon of the guy with a sandwich board announcing “the end is near,” the doomsday message has been around as long as we have. Remember the flood stories? Existential angst gets the better of us once in a while and we wander down this well-worn trail with odd regularity. My question is why is the Asheville Jung Center running down this rabbit trail?

  50. Kathryn
    November 20, 2012 | 1:39 pm

    The world is not ending. This is all media hype. Real elders of the Mayan world think we are all nuts. This is marketing and trying to sell some books.

    There are things going on astrologically. If you want a feel for the general zeitgeist it is worth studying that, and I would not be surprised if there are some major shifts in consciousness.

    A lot of us worker bees out here are getting highly intuitive.

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  52. Pantha Crouser
    November 22, 2012 | 4:24 pm

    If Jung knew that his devotees were interpreting the Mayan (or any other culture’s) mythological and symbolic world view in terms of Christian apocalypticism (“end of the world” scenarios being limited from a comparative religious point of view to desert monotheisms), he would have given them a severe scolding for sheer stupidity and a lack of objectivity in the treatment of myth.

  53. Rosemary Gosselin
    November 26, 2012 | 8:19 pm

    It is high time the world as we know it comes to an end. The shadow of the patriarchy leers from every corner. Our “leaders”in Canada behave like CEOs of Corporate Resource Rape.

    Meanwhile, there are other energies afoot:”On a quiet day you can almost hear her breathing.” (Arundhat Roy)

    The scientists see clearly. The politicians turn a blind eye. Sages like Thomas Berry in his profound “Dream of the Earth”(1985!) point the way……

    Now is the time to tend and heed our dreams…..to imagine and live out a new myth….

  54. We have gotten over our “Colonization” Holiday, and now we move on to the “Consumption Religion” Holiday. Might be nice to have the end of the world in between.

  55. Bill Briel
    November 27, 2012 | 9:33 pm

    As I get older, and having accompanied my partner of 27 years on her 6 month path to a peaceful death, I find myself more focused on nursing myself and those I care about through their personal apocalypses, large and small. If the end of the world is going to come on Dec 21 there’s not much I can do about it and I don’t think about it. If it has symbolic meaning, I am interested, and I will at least buy the seminar DVD. I worry more about what environmental degradation will do to the world the young I care for will have to live in.

  56. Walter Smith
    November 28, 2012 | 5:05 pm

    As a Christian, we believe that Christ will return and usher in the Kingdom of God which will be the end of the world. However, we don’t know when that will happen and my guess is that God is not done revealing who God is. On one hand, the Mayan are correct–the world will come to an end. On the other, they are wrong to suggest a definite date. Definite days for the end of the world have come and gone in the past two thousand years and no doubt they will come and go for years to come. Yet, we may not be here tomorrow, but that is no excuse to quit your day job. We neither know the time or the day and isn’t that healthy?

  57. D. Thomas
    December 9, 2012 | 1:54 pm

    Didn’t their world already end?

  58. AnDrEA
    May 16, 2014 | 10:41 am

    In 2007 I’ve been in India. I had the honour as pupil of great alchemist to come to know that this end means the end of the linear time. And it means very simple|: chaos. Well, that is something natural and the beginning of something new. Chaos is the womb and in it is harmony. The inside and outside is dynamic this is not new stuff.

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